Podcast Episode 208: How to Keep Your Issues From Ruining Your Relationship

Thanks so much for coming by to check out Episode 208 of The New Family Podcast, where we talk to a psychiatrist about how to prevent the past from damaging your relationship today.

A big part of being able to take care of a family is also looking after your relationship with your partner. My guest for this episode, New York City psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Dr. Grant Brenner, has some interesting insights about how the experiences we hold on to from the past and can stand in the way of having truly great, well-connected intimate relationships. But this isn’t just a matter of old-fashioned onion peeling of therapist sessions past. It’s about the concrete steps you can take to address old patterns so your relationship can be its best. Dr. Brenner specializes in helping adults who are experiencing relationship difficulties and he’s co-author of a book called Relationship Sanity: Creating and Maintaining Healthy Relationships. It’s a follow to their popular book Irrelationship, and it builds on those findings about how the past affects the present in relationships and offers tangible advice on improving connections going forward.

Here are some resources related to this episode:

Relationship Sanity: Creating and Maintaining Healthy Relationships

IRRELATIONSHIP: How we use Dysfunctional Relationships to Hide from Intimacy

ExperiMentations Blog on PsychologyToday.com

Dr. Grant Brenner’s Private Practice

Related Episode: Why Marriages End

Related Episode: The Journey Through Marriage Counselling

Related Episode: Confessions of a Terrible Husband

What couples can do to reconnect

“There’s this rock bottom that people hit before they change. Any kind of work that you do on yourself is meant to be a substitute for the real rock bottom. So in our book we get people to open up to each other before too much damage is done, hopefully. So the first thing we do is start offering people exercises in compassion, in empathy, in mindful self-compassion, and in compassion for others. First, they learn to stop blaming, and be more gentle and kind with oneself and others.

And then we have a way of speaking, which is called the 40-20-40. It’s both a communication tool and a conceptual tool. You get 40 per cent of the conversation, I get 40 per cent and what’s going on between us gets 20 per cent. You use a timer, and you get to speak for three to five minutes, and I speak for three to five minutes. And when I’m speaking I speak from my heart; it’s not blaming, it’s not accusing, it’s ‘how did I feel? what was it like for me? what’s important to me?’ and the other person listens very intently and non-judgmentally.

As for the 20 in 40-20-40, the relationship needs attention. The relationship is like a child. And everyone knows if you have kids or if work is super busy, you have to be very mindful. You have to have a date night, you have to cultivate your relationship. The 20 creates a space in between the two people for sharing. There’s more ‘we’ talk, ‘what are we going to do about it? what do we feel about it?’ The relationship has a life of it’s own.

In our book we go into more detail about how to take the learning that comes out of those conversations and capture it for future exercises. The 40-20-40 becomes a way that couples can do a spot check if they run into a problem. So instead of bickering, you do this.”

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Brandie Weikle

About Brandie Weikle

Brandie is a long-time parenting editor, writer and spokesperson. Most recently editor-in-chief of Canadian Family magazine, Brandie has also been the parenting and relationships editor for the Toronto Star, founding editor of two Toronto Star websites, and an editor for Today's Parent. Brandie is a single mother of two in Toronto and a frequent television and radio guest on parenting topics. A former digital director at House & Home Media, she also consults on digital audience engagement. Contact her here. View all posts by


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